2.Juror 551 Illness, COVID Concerns, Courtroom Space and Seating, and Exhibit-List Submission
220 lines(At the bench.)
THE COURT: All right. Good morning, you-all. Give me a second.
So here's -- sorry, I've got about 16,000 e-mails. So here's -- I'm just trying to find it. Give me a second.
Here's the issue. We've got it for today, but we're number two for tomorrow in 23.
THE COURT: Possibly.
So I'll leave it to you-all's discretion. I don't have a problem reaching out to Jury Services. It's still available, it's not going to disappear. If you want to go do it up there, that's fine. You want to keep it here, that's fine.
They're all going to be in close proximity to each other. It's not like -- I mean, it's cathedralesque up there, but the fact of the matter is they're still going to be in relatively close position to each other. So I'm amenable to whatever it is you-all want to do. I'm here.
MR. OWENS: I've got selfish reasons just because I haven't seen 23, but other than that...
THE COURT: Okay. It's about four times the depth.
MR. OWENS: Ceremonial-type?
THE COURT: Yeah. It's about four times the depth, maybe five times the depth of this courtroom. The well space is twice as large. It's two or three stories. It's lofted ceilings, all that, you know, ceremonial high-end stuff.
I'll defer to you. Whatever you-all want to do, I'm on board with.
MR. HENDERSON: I'd rather stay in here.
MR. OWENS: Mr. Henderson would rather stay in here.
THE COURT: Well, the only other -- the thought that I can have is, the person who was feeling ill, we excuse them. 551, say, Thank you so much for letting us know, you don't need to report. Those are the only Sickness concerns that I've been advised of through Jury Services, and then we've got it in here. I don't know that two more people is going to pack us more like Sardines any more than we would be up on the 23rd. So you tell me what you want to do.
THE COURT: Okay. So here's what we can do. You-all are going to get your stuff organized on the objections, so let's take a brief recess, go up to 23, take a look around. We'll be in recess for 15 minutes, and then we can come back and address it, because, respectfully, you haven't seen it yet.
MR. HENDERSON: No.
THE COURT: Okay. All right.
(In open court.)
THE COURT: All right. The Court is going to take a 15-minute recess to address jury selection location this afternoon and to give the defense the opportunity to provide the most -- the Fifth Amended Exhibit List.
With regard to Juror 551, what say the State?
MR. JAY: No objection to -- well, if she doesn't have COVID, then I don't have a motion for cause.
THE COURT: Okay. Any response from the defense?
MR. HENDERSON: Judge, she tested, but the test was negative?
THE COURT: Correct.
MR. HENDERSON: Is that correct?
THE COURT: That is correct.
MR. HENDERSON: Anything in addition to how she was feeling?
THE COURT: I read you what was provided to me.
MR. HENDERSON: Okay. I have no motion then.
THE COURT: Okay. Court is going to be ina 15-minute recess. Thank you.
(Brief recess from 11:22 a.m. to 11:42 a.m.)
THE COURT: We're back on the record. 2020-CF-2603, State of Florida vs. Sarah Boone.
State?
MR. CACCIATORE: Dave Cacciatore on behalf of the State.
THE COURT: Defense?
MR. OWENS: James Owens for Ms. Boone.
MR. HENDERSON: Tony Henderson for Sarah Boone.
THE COURT: Ms. Boone is still seated at counsels' table wearing the same gray suit and white blouse from this morning.
Can you-all approach?
(At the bench.)
THE COURT: Have you-all had the opportunity to go check out the 23rd floor?
MR. HENDERSON: Yes, sir.
THE COURT: All right. What position, if any, do you have?
MR. HENDERSON: I like it up there.
MR. OWENS: Can we try the case up there?
THE COURT: I don't think so. I don't think we can. I would have to confer with Court Admin, because I know we specified it for here for the next two weeks. I have no idea with the status of it being open.
So here's the only wrinkle is we're number two tomorrow. I know there were some big civil jury panels that were being impaneled this week. I have no idea if it's going to be open tomorrow, so we may only get it for this afternoon. I'll get with Court Admin and Jury Services during the lunch hour to see if, you know, we might be able to trump number one and go from number two to number one, but we may be back in here tomorrow morning. And as soon as I know that, I'll let you-all know.
MR. JAY: I'11 bet Florida State's football season we'll have a few for causes at the end of the day and we'll be all right.
THE COURT: That's probably a pretty safe bet because they're probably going to lose to Duke on Friday for the first time ever.
MR. HENDERSON: Excuse me, Your Honor.
THE COURT: Yes, sir.
MR. HENDERSON: JI went to law school at Florida State.
THE COURT: Yeah, that was my undergrad, so...
THE COURT: It's a tough road ahead right row.
Okay. All right. That clarifies that. I will get with Jury Services to let them know we are going to be up there, okay? I'll e-mail Anita right now to let everybody know that we're going to be up there.
Mary, do you have the exhibit list from Mr. Owens?
MR. OWENS: It was e-mailed to the judge this morning. The provisional notice is being filed as we speak.
THE COURT: What was e-mailed to me this morning?
MR. OWENS: The Fifth Amended Exhibit List.
THE COURT: Was it e-mailed to Ms. Berrios?
MR. OWENS: Yes. It may have been just a few minutes ago.
THE COURT: Okay. Hang on.
Oh, here it is. I got it, I got it, I got it. That's a witness list.
MR. OWENS: What did you want?
THE COURT: I need the exhibit list. That's just the witness list. I need the exhibit list.
MR. OWENS: I've got one other issue, Judge. They're working on that. I've got one other issue. Are you ready?
THE COURT: Yes, sir.
MR. OWENS: Julie Harper e-mailed me this morning at 8:11 and said her Bay County death penalty case just updated her and they expect the defense will be between Monday and Wednesday of next week. I anticipate that's about when our case -- do you-all have any idea when you-all's case is going to be --
THE COURT: The State said two days.
MR. OWENS: All right. So, anyway, number one, she, of course, wants to listen in on Sarah Boone's testimony, so we may have to link that up so she can listen in or Zoom in. And then, two, we're going to have to figure out a way -- Bay County is Panama City, which is probably about five hours away, I would Say, so she could get down here as soon as she gets done up there or come down here first and go up there, but we're going to have to work that out.
THE COURT: Okay. To the extent that she needs to listen, I have the link on. I think I've clarified the issue of persons appearing and not being muted.
THE COURT: I don't have access to -- not every courtroom is teed up like Judge Madrigal's courtroom where I can live stream it as well. He has a button where he can --
MR. JAY: Well, I'm just saying, if we're using the system to publish evidence and go through evidence, can people still be linked in in the background?
THE COURT: Yes. Yeah, it's two different systems.
THE COURT: Yeah. One is the meeting system and one is the digital presentation. They're two different systems, so that won't interfere with that at all. Just anyone who's observing virtually will not be able to observe what's being presented. I don't have that capacity technologically.
THE COURT: All right. So let me step out real quick to buzz Anita to reset us for the 23rd floor this afternoon. And I don't have -- what was e-mailed to me, Sir, was the witness list. I need the exhibit list.
MR. OWENS: The girls are working on it right now.
THE COURT: All right. Let me step out real quick.
MR. HENDERSON: If I could ask one quick question?
THE COURT: Yes, sir.
MR. HENDERSON: Do they go through a new random seating process for the people coming back this afternoon?
THE COURT: So my understanding from Madam Clerk, who spoke to Jury Services, is that Panel 1 from yesterday will be in the first row, Panel 2, second row, Panel 3, third row, Panel 4, fourth row. That's how it's going to be teed up.
MR. HENDERSON: Okay.
THE COURT: Okay. Thank you.
(In open court.)
THE COURT: All right. The Court is going to step out for one second and then -- you can e-mail that exhibit list to Madam Clerk and then we can go from there. Thank you.
(Brief recess from 11:48 a.m. to 11:57 a.m.)
THE COURT: All right. We're back on the record. 2020-CF-2603, State of Florida vs. Sarah Boone.
State, if we can get appearances.
MR. CACCIATORE: Dave Cacciatore on behalf of the State.
THE COURT: Defense?
MR. OWENS: James Owens for Ms. Boone.
MR. HENDERSON: Tony Henderson for Ms. Boone.
THE COURT: Thank you.
Ms. Boone is still seated at counsels' table with the same clothing from this morning.
All right. I've been provided by Madam Clerk Defendant's Fifth Amended Reciprocal Discovery Exhibit List. I haven't had the opportunity to review it yet, but it is in my hands.
Let's start with the Defendant's Objections to State's Digital Exhibits. I'll turn it over to you, Mr. Owens.
MR. OWENS: Judge, and I did want to say that the Notice of Provision of Defendant's Fifth Amended Exhibit List was e-filed on October 3rd. The Fifth Exhibit List was e-mailed to the State on October 3rd.
THE COURT: Correct, but the same problem I have is it's just the Notice of Provision. I don't know what any of the substance was.
All right. You may proceed, sir.
MR. HENDERSON: Judge, I'm going to handle this.
THE COURT: Okay. Go ahead.
MR. HENDERSON: And, Judge, this was a little bit of a new procedure because I tried -- what I did was review the images. And as in the motion, we object to all the cell phone photo evidence the State intends to introduce at trial. As to -- I'm not going to know until I hear evidence or see when they're trying to introduce it if it's relevant or not at that time. Something might make something relevant at a certain time or it might not make it relevant, so there.
And, also, as to just the foundational stuff, because the images, as I've seen it, I don't have dates. So I don't know when it was taken in relation to the February 23rd, 2020 date, which is the date of the offense, and -- so I'm at a loss for that. Sol don't know if it's two years before, does that make it relevant, if it's three years before? I don't know.
So that's going to be -- if the foundation is laid -- that's my problem with these photograph exhibits, is I don't know until I hear who's trying to put it in, how is it identified, and if the proper foundation is made to make it relevant, okay?
THE COURT: Response?
MR. JAY: Is this going to be considered a separate hearing for the record, so should this be D or should it be A?
THE COURT: Everything was -- when I called what was being heard today, it was all in the same hearing, so I believe it should be premarked as D.
MR. JAY: Thank you.
What I'm having Madam Clerk mark as D for identification for purposes of this hearing is what has been provided to the defense as the very narrowed-down portion of the phone extraction carve-out. What it has is what -- and we were even so specific that we labeled one part of the PDF Case in Chief Pages, of which there are 59. We labeled Rebuttal Pages, of which there are 108. Attachments that go to the case in chief timeline count up as 80 photographs and videos. Attachments in Rebuttal count up as 147 photographs and videos.
There is metadata that comes with all those files, so there is a date stamp and timestamp on each of those files. For instance, 12/25/2019, 1:10 p.m. Another one might be 10/26/2019, 6:06 p.m. They all have file names. Providing context would be the PDF outlook -- or PDF outline of the phone extraction, of which the State will now move into evidence so that the Court can consider this as State's 4 for the purposes of these hearings.
THE COURT: Any objection to what was premarked as D?
MR. HENDERSON: Not for the purpose of the hearing.
THE COURT: That'll be received without objection as State's 4.
(State's Exhibit No. 4 was received in evidence.)
MR. JAY: And so just to give the Court an example, on page 49 of 59 of the PDF labeled Case In Chief, entry 31107 in this PDF from the phone extraction is labeled, Videos, 2/23/2020, 11:12 p.m., 45 seconds, UTC minus five, which means corrected to Eastern Standard Time for that time of year, and it's image_1062.mov. So that sort of information is going to be there for the majority of these files. The ones that end up getting recovered from unallocated deleted space are sometimes not going to be there, but there will be contextual clues as to the relevance. The Court will be able to see that. So, for instance, that image is the two-minute infamous video of Mr. Torres being in the suitcase that started at 11:12 p.m., 45 seconds, on February 23rd.
So there is context that can be used, both on the metadata that's in the file when you list these files by details instead of by icon, and then within the timeline. And what we have carved out is, the Case In Chief Timeline has a conversation that begins on Christmas of 2019, and it starts with Moe, presumably the decedent's brother, having a conversation with Sarah Boone, the owner of the phone. And it culminates in, Hide-and-seek, I shall. That's the context of that conversation on December 25th.
Then it goes down to a conversation that's going on January 12th, into the 13th of January of 2020. Culminates in a text from the owner of the phone Saying: And bless you and all of you too. I'll get -- capitals -- rid of him.
So that's the context of those portions of our Case in Chief PDF.
And then there's just the timeline that starts with February 23rd, 2020, at 8:35 in the morning and goes through the entire day to give context of what is going on with her on the phone. Is she using it? When is she presumably awake? That's the context of that file.
The Rebuttal file, which is, again, 108 pages, it starts -- and it basically involves with conversations with or about the decedent, conversations with his family, which I anticipate the defendant is going to testify she was terrified of and there was problems with all the time. It's going to give some context to those things.
It mentioned when they became a relationship on Facebook, March 8th of 2018, to give context as to when, perhaps, this relationship started or not. And then there's a timeline that starts from May 21st, 2019, that is filled with conversations about and with the decedent. At that point in time he had his own phone and then at some point he doesn't, and the discussions and the arguments between him and the family with the defendant.
And then the images that are associated in the folders, Case in Chief and Rebuttal, are the ones that are associated in these time frames. I have cleared out the vast majority of them. The vast majority of them were just icons and things that belonged to games and nonsense. I cleared out all the photographs of Mr. and Mrs. Boone's child, any of the child's friends. There's no need for any of the pictures of the children.
It's mostly photographs of the decedent and the defendant, but there's also just pictures of art and them going out, because it gives context. You know, if she's in the middle of an argument, for instance, with the family, you know, one might expect there to be pictures of injuries, instead there's pictures of art. So we did our best to select which photographs and videos were pertinent within these time frames. We did our best to narrow it down to what time frames we said we believe will give a good rebuttal picture after she testifies about his family and her relationship with him. So that's where we're at.
So as far as the relevancy -- the general relevancy objection that was made, there was no specificity as to what particular entries in the PDFs are objectionable for any particular reason. We believe that everything is relevant. Again, we are submitting it for the Court's review.
I know that we're in the third day of jury selection, which will apparently resume in 81 minutes. If there's an authenticity issue -- because one of their objections was relevancy, foundation, unknown origin date, hearsay, and Crawford issues. I'm submitting for the Court, if I can approach the Court --
THE COURT: Yeah.
MR. JAY: -- Gilbert vs. State, 324 So.3d 598, from the Second District Court of Appeal, decided in 2021; Lamb vs. State, 246 So.3d 400, from the Fourth District Court of Appeal, decided in 2018; Gayle, G-a-y-l-e, vs. State, 216 So.3d 656, a Fourth District Court of Appeal case as well from 2017.
The basics of these three cases are just the very low bar for authenticity. As Professor Ehrhardt from Florida State University would tell us, authenticity is a very low bar for the Court. It is generally considered a matter of weight for the trier of fact. And with this digital evidence, it can be established and authenticated in a variety of ways.
What the State expects the evidence is going to be is that the defendant's phone was taken from her home by law enforcement, as we know from the motion to suppress, and it was provided to a digital forensic examiner who was able to use the defendant's passcode to unlock it and perform a digital extraction. So that should clear up most of the authenticity issues as to who the owner of the phone is.
The State readily concedes and has provided context by using extra pages of conversations that at some point the decedent no longer had his own phone and was using Ms. Boone's phone from time to time. And, in fact, that is part of her allegations about pornography and contacting other women, but I believe the context of those conversations makes it clear who was using the phone and who was not using the phone.
So we believe that there is no foundation issue. We believe based on the defense they are raising, that there is relevancy. We have split it up to the case in chief and the rebuttal. We are specifically only entering the two incriminating statements and the context of those incriminating statements about hide-and-seek and getting rid of him, plus the timeline of the date of the offense.
Then the rebuttal, we have carved it out as best we could to present a picture of the conversations and the tone, as much as tone can be inferred from texts, and how the relationship was with the family and who may or may not have been the psychological aggressor.
As far as hearsay and Crawford issues, I am unclear if they are talking about just, in general, the digital forensic extraction report itself. One of the cases I gave to you makes it clear that machines are not humans. They do not get subjected to Justice Scalia's version of the confrontation clause that he outlined in Crawford vs. Washington in 2004.
What he also talked about, though, and what has had some discussion since the Crawford decision was, what's hearsay versus testimonial hearsay? Obviously, there's no testimonial hearsay in these phone extractions. There is no implication that any of these statements made by any of the participants in the text conversations were doing so with an eye towards litigation or prosecution.
So it's the State's position, number one, that the extraction itself and all the data that is coming from it is not hearsay and is not testimonial hearsay, much less. And the conversations that are going on with the other people, the statements that other people are making back to the defendant in the carve-out that we've provided aren't being offered for the truth of the matter asserted. There is no hearsay issue. It is to provide the context of the things that the defendant is saying; I'm gonna go bond Jorge out, I'm gonna go to the Public Defender's Office and get this taken care of, or screaming at his family, so on and so forth. Demanding immediate responses when somebody is cutting hair and keeps on telling her repeatedly, I can't respond to you, can't respond to you, I'm working. So those sorts of things, it's the State's position, aren't being offered for the truth of the matter asserted.
As far as the unknown origin date, I think it's pretty clear from the PDF timeline that there is a date and timestamp to every single entry from this phone extraction, and that corroborates with the images -- most of the images, some were from unallocated space, but it corroborates the metadata for these images. So we're asking for -- that their motion -- or their objection to be denied preliminarily. Obviously, we have to lay the predicate properly at trial, but now the Court has a copy. And hopefully we can get advice from the Court if the Court is believing that there are sustainable objections before we swear in the jury so that the State can pull any photographs or videos or we can have at least a discussion about those specifics. And then after discussing those specifics, the State can pull those out before burning a DVD to provide the jury. We also have the ability to black out entries in the PDFs.
Again, no specific objections were made, so it would be our position that they're waived. There was a generalized objection, but -- so that we're not doing this when the jury is out. Trial is busy enough, trial is tedious enough to not be conducting discovery and doing redactions during the nights and mornings of trial.
THE COURT: Thank you.
THE COURT: Response?
MR. HENDERSON: Yes. Judge, I think this procedure calls for a lot of speculation as to the defense part as to what these photos -- example of the photographs, what's the use of this photograph? There's a piece of art on the wall. I don't know how that's relevant to the case. So without knowing how it's relevant and what their theory is of it being relevant, I have to form the objection. I don't think this is relevant.
THE COURT: What's your response to the lack of specificity, that these are just boilerplate objections to all photographs, all video?
MR. HENDERSON: Yes. Well, they're not to all photographs and all videos. They are -- they are things that we listed --
THE COURT: It is an objection to all cell phone photo evidence the State intends to introduce.
MR. HENDERSON: Correct.
THE COURT: It's objections to all cell phone video evidence the State intends to introduce.
MR. HENDERSON: Because at this point in time, Judge, I can't tell you what the independent objection would be. I don't know how it fits into their theory of the case. That calls for me to speculate how it fits into their theory of the case. How can I do that?
If they show you a picture, like, a picture of artwork, right, I don't know how that's relevant to this case; or a conversation that takes place to -- between two other people. At the time, I don't know how it's relevant to the case, so what am I supposed to say, no objection to it? And then am I later barred from objecting to it when I don't think it fits or they haven't laid the foundation to get it in? It's putting the cart before the horse.
THE COURT: That pertains to the rebuttal evidence. What about the evidence that was outlined that the State intends on using in its case in chief?
MR. HENDERSON: That's it, Judge. How do I know that they are going to be able to lay the proper foundation for that evidence? How do I know? That's the thing, when the -- when the -- well, I think the procedure goes like this. I could be wrong, but I don't think so.
The procedure goes like this. The State has a piece of evidence. They have that evidence identified to someone, all right? They get it marked as an exhibit, okay? At a certain point in time, the State asks if we can introduce -- we'd like to introduce Exhibit No. 1 into evidence. Defense, either objection or no objection at that time. I've heard the witness who's identified it, I know what it is at that time, and I have some relationship to it at that time to make the proper objection. Just getting a picture now and I'm supposed to say no objection? I don't know what they're using it for.
Guess what, Judge, the videos of the suitcase, we didn't object to those. Do you know why? It was clear, I know when it was and I know the purpose of using it, but when you have animate objects on the wall or pictures of individuals -- and in this case, there's --
THE COURT: But what I'm reading, it sounds like you're objecting to those; all cell phone video evidence that the State intends to introduce.
MR. HENDERSON: Correct.
THE COURT: It sounds like it covers the suitcase video to me. All means all.
MR. HENDERSON: The suitcase video is listed in one of the -- in the things that we don't object to.
THE COURT: I don't know that. I have image_0954, I don't know what that is. Image_0980, I don't know what that is. I'm just looking at the words on the paper.
MR. HENDERSON: How does it need to be done, Judge?
THE COURT: Well, what the State is asking for is a preliminary ruling on these objections.
MR. HENDERSON: How do you -- how do you have a preliminary ruling on an objection when the foundation or anything has not been laid in court for evidence being admitted?
THE COURT: State conceded they need to lay the appropriate foundation. It's part of their argument.
MR. HENDERSON: Okay.
THE COURT: So I'm not going to address foundation, if they're able to establish it is what it purports to be, under the case law, under 90.901 and everything else. I mean, he's right, it's a low bar for what admissibility is.
MR. HENDERSON: And I have no problem with that.
THE COURT: Okay.
MR. HENDERSON: I have no problem with that part, Judge. The thing that I'm saying is, I want to make sure, because I didn't object to something on here, it waives my right to object to it later.
THE COURT: Okay.
MR. HENDERSON: That's what this sounds like to me. It sounds like this is a situation, Well, Mr. Henderson, you didn't object to this on the State's list of exhibits, you did not object to it, you can't object to it now. I don't think that's fundamentally correct. So I don't know what part I'm missing.
THE COURT: Anything else, sir?
MR. HENDERSON: Well, yes, Judge. I would like -- because I know it's a different jurisdiction, people do things differently, okay? Thirty years, I've never had to do this in a criminal case, okay?
THE COURT: Part of the reason the Court issued the order back in August is at that point in time, Ms. Boone was representing herself pro se and we need to establish deadlines to prevent any ambush or last-minute issues. Then you-all parachuted in on August the 30th.
MR. HENDERSON: Yes.
THE COURT: There was no order, there was no request to vacate any of those deadlines, so those deadlines were still in full force and effect.
MR. HENDERSON: Yes, Your Honor.
THE COURT: But the reason behind that was because Ms. Boone at that time was representing herself pro se, and to avoid issues at trial, the Court had set a schedule for when certain objections needed to be provided. And I understand your position. I don't want to be in a position where I'm deemed to have waived anything, I get it, but the State's proffer seems to have established some level of relevancy for these things. And as we well know, the bar for relevancy is very, very low.
As to foundation, I agree with you, and the State concedes that point, they need to establish the appropriate foundation. And if they're able to do that, I'm not foreclosing you from making objections, but as of this point in time, your objections are preserved for the purposes of trial. You can raise them, certainly, but at this point in time, based on the State's proffer of what they intend to use and why they intend to use it, I'm going to find that it's relevant and not repetitive.
MR. HENDERSON: Judge, at this point in time, as a pretrial ruling -- as a pretrial ruling, that doesn't waive my right to object to something as they're trying to admit it based on relevancy, foundation, or any of those things, then I don't have a problem with that. What my concern was, the way this looked like to me, is that if I didn't make an objection to it at this time for this, I am waiving it at trial.
THE COURT: I understand.
Any clarifications or questions with regard to the Court's ruling?
MR. JAY: Judge, we're just -- I believe we're trying to treat this like a video interview redaction issue. Like, it takes time to go back and pull out pictures and pull out videos or black out lines or remove pages. That's all we're trying to do is do that today. I don't know what the defense expects to be different at trial, what more information they're going to learn from the digital evidence.
I mean, the foundation for this evidence is going to be the law enforcement officer that took the phone that is pictured in the CSI photos out of Ms. Boone's apartment. It's right on the nightstand next to the Suitcase. And then that person is going to have to testify, Well, I gave it to Junella Uadan. And then Junella Uadan is going to come in and bring the phone with her and say, This is the phone that I plugged into my magic Cellebrite software, or whatever she used on that particular day, and this is how Cellebrite works, this is my educational background, blobbity, blobbity, with the software and I pulled this extraction out. Mr. Jay sent me this carve-out of this extraction before trial. In fact, she picked it up yesterday, and I believe -- you know, I'm going to testify that this is part of the larger carve-out, this is from her phone.
That's going to be the foundation. The rest of these things are things that we should be able to have an intelligent discussion about today with specificity about, this line of text isn't okay, this particular photograph is not okay for this reason. That's what we were hoping for.
THE COURT: Okay. Have you reviewed what it is that they -- the State intends on eliciting in this exhibit?
MR. HENDERSON: Yes, Judge. This is the things that I reviewed. I sent them last night and went through every one of them preparing for this hearing. What we did not or what we failed to do, because of the time restraint, for the one set, we didn't list the number and I didn't give detail as to, like, img 0954, what it represents.
My concern is this, because I don't have a problem with this or with the State's evidence at this time, as long as it's not a bar that when we come into court and I feel something is not relevant at that time or they go to admit it and I say objection, relevancy or objection, foundation, that I'm not barred at that time. I don't know any rule that would bar me at that time.
THE COURT: Okay. I'm going to overrule your objections for the reasons that I previously identified. You can raise your objections at trial if you deem necessary, but based on the State's proffer, I'm going to find that the different categories of documents that he's identified as reflected in Exhibit 4 are relevant, they are not repetitive, they are not cumulative. And so long as they can establish the appropriate foundation, and based on counsel's proffer, it seems like they might be able to do so.
Any questions, sir?
MR. HENDERSON: No. I just want to add something for the record.
THE COURT: Yes, sir.
MR. HENDERSON: The State, during its proffer, said there were no photos of the child. That's not correct, there are photos of the child.
THE COURT: That are being sought into evidence?
MR. HENDERSON: Yes, Your Honor.
THE COURT: State, response, if any?
MR. JAY: One moment.
I don't believe so in either of the folders. I don't have any independent recollection if I tied it up more than when I gave them what I believe the exhibit to be a week or two ago, but I don't see any.
(Counsel conferring.)
MR. JAY: Okay. I see two images. I can recognize it as a reflection of children ina -- I don't know if it's a snow globe, an aquarium or whatnot, but I have no objection to removing those two. I just didn't recognize it as children. I recognized it as a crab.
THE COURT: I haven't seen the picture, so I'm at a loss.
MR. HENDERSON: I'm sorry, Judge?
THE COURT: So does that take care of that issue for you, sir?
MR. HENDERSON: That takes care of that issue, Judge, but the point that I'm trying to make with that and why I raised it is that there are going to be certain things that I'm not going to know and to, what is the purpose of it as far as how is it -- how is it relevant? Now, they can make a proffer, I understand they can make a proffer, but they're proffering evidence. Once it goes up, the witness is on, and the Court has told me that I don't waive my objections, so I don't understand the Court's ruling.
THE COURT: Okay. All right. Thank you very much.
MR. HENDERSON: Yes.
THE COURT: Anything else with regard to the defendant's objections to State's digital exhibits, Mr. Henderson?
MR. HENDERSON: No, Your Honor.
THE COURT: Okay. Moving now to the Defendant's Fifth Amended Reciprocal Discovery Exhibit List and the State's objections to same, there are some for which the State has no objections. Those need not be addressed. It will just be dealing with the objections outlined.
It is not lost on the Court that it is 12:30. We do have a jury coming in an hour.
MR. OWENS: Can we deal with this this evening?
THE COURT: My court staff does need a lunch break. So how do you want to proceed, Mr. Jay?
THE COURT: Okay. Do you have any concerns with proceeding with jury selection this afternoon and the final portion of the Court's inquiry as addressed yesterday and turning it over to you without having a ruling on these and we could address these objections tomorrow morning before we bring in the balance of our panel?
THE COURT: All right. Is that acceptable to the defense?
MR. HENDERSON: Yes, sir.
THE COURT: Okay. All right. So then here's what we're going to do. We're going to be in recess until 1:30. We will report to the 23rd floor.
I've already advised Jury Services and Court Admin that the room is available for us. We will continue jury selection at that time. I will keep you apprised of whether or not we can continue jury selection in 23 tomorrow. As soon as I have that information, I or my judicial assistant will pass it along to you.
Assuming we're in 23, we will advise the jurors when they need to return and we can address all these objections tomorrow, and we'll address those objections either in 23 or in 12-Alpha.
Anything further from the State?
THE COURT: Anything further from the defense?
MR. OWENS: No, Judge.
THE COURT: Okay. We will see you-all at 1:30 in 23. Thank you.
(Court recessed for lunch at 12:33 p.m.)
(The following proceedings were resumed at 1:36 p.m., in Courtroom 23A, stenographically reported by June Bufford.)
THE COURT: You-all can be seated. Thank you.
(Pause.)
COURT CLERK: Case No. 2020-CF-2603, State of Florida vs. Sarah Boone.
Announce your names for the record, beginning with the State.
MR. CACCIATORE: Dave Cacciatore on behalf of the State.
COURT CLERK: Defense?
MR. OWENS: James Owens for Sarah Boone.
MR. HENDERSON: Tony Henderson for Sarah Boone.
THE COURT: Yes, sir, Mr. Henderson?
MR. HENDERSON: May we approach?
THE COURT: You can speak freely where you're at.
MR. HENDERSON: It's just a positionary thing, Judge. I noticed the Court's going first, State's going, and I'm not able to move --
THE COURT: If you need to reposition yourself to view anything, you can certainly do so.
MR. HENDERSON: Okay. That was my question.
THE COURT: Absolutely.
MR. HENDERSON: And then the other thing, with looking at this -- because I thought the table would be right there. When I looked at it, I thought it was going to be right there, but it's not. And I know I go first tomorrow, I would like to request the -- what is it, Courtroom 12 or 6?
THE COURT: 12 alpha. We'll be back in 12 alpha tomorrow.
MR. HENDERSON: Yes.
THE COURT: Okay. State?
MR. JAY: I think we'll have for causes, if we even have all 53 show up, is what I'm understanding, we may not.
THE COURT: We've got three that we're waiting on, so that's fine by me. So we can start tomorrow morning in 12 alpha. That's fine. Okay. Excellent.
As I said, I believe before the lunch hour I do have a morning docket, a plea or a bond hearing, and then whatever arraignments, and then we can promptly start with you-all right thereafter.
Okay. Ms. Boone is seated at defense counsel's table, wearing the same clothing from this morning. She is in custody, however, she is not shackled, so we all will be standing when our jury panel enters. I'm going to confirm that they -- our jury panel has complied with the instructions given by the Court, both on October 14th and/or October 15th.
Additionally, as discussed this morning, juror from Panel 3, in Seat 48, wearing Badge 471, contracted COVID, and the parties have stipulated to strike that juror for cause.
Anything else, State, we need to address until we get the balance of our panel here?
THE COURT: Defense?
MR. HENDERSON: No, Your Honor.
THE COURT: All right. Very good. We'll just hang on until I've got an update from jury services as to the persons we're missing.
COURT CLERK: So as to juror in Seat No. 10, Juror No. 845, the jury room called, but there was no answer.
As to juror in Seat 11, Juror No. 695, he's at work.
As to juror in Seat No. 42, Juror 60, there was no answer.
We're still waiting on the deputy to check the 12th floor.
THE COURT: State, assuming that the two persons who did not answer, juror in Seat 10, Badge 845; juror in Seat 42, Badge 60, what position, if any, do you have with regard to those two perspective jurors?
THE COURT: Okay. And with regard to the juror seated in Seat 11, wearing Badge 695, who advised that he was at work?
MR. JAY: Did he or she advise that he or she will be here immediately or did they give a response other than that?
COURT CLERK: He said he thought he didn't have to appear today. He called the number and it said that he did not have to appear. The jury services advised him that he did. And she told him that she would call him back once she speaks with the judge.
MR. JAY: I'll leave it to the Court and the defense if they want to see how immediately he can be here, but it's already 2:03.
THE COURT: Defense, with regard to all three of those persons?
MR. HENDERSON: JI have no position. Leave it in the discretion of the Court.
THE COURT: Okay. I'm inclined to proceed, assuming no one was outside of 12.